I try to keep “who to vote for” politics pretty well off of this blog and prefer to discuss politics in general and better and worse strategies for promoting libraries in whatever political climate we happen to be in. People acutely interested in high level politics in the US who also work in libraries may be interested in this Time magazine article about Sarah Palin. I was very interested in this paragraph.
[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving “full support” to the mayor.
Usually I’m just happy to see libraries even mentioned in national level politics, but not like this. Mary Ellen Baker resigned from her library director job in 1999.
note: there’s some buzz being generated that says that this post contains a comment that lists the books that Palin supposedly wanted banned. The list is here, but there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up.
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How much “oil” money does her husband make per year? I will bet three to four times my yearly wage. She is a Bush plant to keep “oil” in the white house
“I’ve said elsewhere that I think the comment doesn’t have any merit and I don’t have contact information for the person who posted it, but I feel that deleting it doesn’t really help anything at all.”
It would help, and it would be responsible, to delete a lie that other sites are posting as fact now, and citing this site as a source.
I just stumbled upon this blog about palin and not in amazement. I am glad to have read this because it truly supports my own thought on palin.
Today while watching cnn’s broadcast of the republican convention I had the pourtunity to see and hear palin speak with a congregation of Christians in her state. She was in support of the troops which has been one of her own personal ventures which I personally feel is a great politcal move for any politician today. However within her speech, I mean ganter, she proclaimed that the war in Iraq is a war given to us by god. By this statement alone she makes this war sound like a holly war. Do we need a left winged critical biased thinker to have power? Very thing we have fought for will be lost to those who will gain from these thoughts. We will be set back 30 to 40 years. She is not a woman for all but for the left wing white mens group that will rule over her position as VP.
I have also read editorials that did comparisons on other presidents. In my own predictions pallin will become very much like a man we do not hear about, does qual sound familiar. She will not do much accept what she would be told. She a mad woman with guns. Shooting up the town with a blind fold on.
How can this country ever decide to elect someone who basically wants to burn books, change thw laws against abortion gay rights and tell us who god is. There have been other leaders such as Hitler that thought like this.
Our country is suppose be comprised of free thinkers and people of great understanding of the world. We would be a laughing stock if this woman and mc can are elected. Heck if you believe in her go and burn your intire library of books and then listen to what you are told to do by backward thinkers like palin.
I just hear Nazism in this platform. Let her stay in her state. They need her to teach what she has taught her own family. Tell me if the teaching of sex before marriage really works or was it the books that your daughter read that taught her to become pregnan?
Palin is all over the place on issues. The worse thing is that she is using religion to support her opions and personal views. If a Muslim use Allah as a excuse why can she use a Christian god? These ideals are not what this country needs.
It would help, and it would be responsible, to delete a lie that other sites are posting as fact now, and citing this site as a source.
I’ve gone to the other sites that I’ve seen citing this and saying that it’s not reputable, I think that’s responsible.
If the comment were to be deleted then people don’t know what it said, what it looked like, and what the big deal was. It would also leave all the other comments referring to it hanging. If the comment remains, people can look at it, look at the surrounding comments and make their own estimation of how likely it looks to be true (i.e not very, as many commenters here have said).
I agree with Jessamyn, and this is an outstanding blog.
“Has it occurred to anyone that the Republican party plan may have been to choose a VP that would be so easy to bash that they couldn’t help but to look victimized?”
Ah, I see. So the feckless calumny of the left is really the clever disengenuousness of the right? I do wish the Left would make up its mind: first the Right is dumber than a sock full of rocks, next they’re evil geniuses.
“It would help, and it would be responsible, to delete a lie that other sites are posting as fact now, and citing this site as a source.”
Censorship? I disagree. The lie was posted, but it was also dissected and dismantled…the very thing a comment section is for…and many of the blogs posting this won’t care anyway. Don’t be naive about politics. That the lie was floated, expanded and given life was always the goal, not the truth.
“Today while watching cnn’s broadcast of the republican convention I had the pourtunity to see and hear palin speak with a congregation of Christians…within her speech, I mean ganter, she proclaimed that the war in Iraq is a war given to us by god. By this statement alone she makes this war sound like a holly war.”
That sounds awfully specious to me…but f*** it. I’m always up for a good holly war.
Jessamyn,
Maybe Include a correction in the original post with the new information, so people don’t have to scroll through all the comments to see the info?
yeah I added a note, good idea Peter.
I’d still like to know what the books were that were thought to be offensive.
Rick says:
“Ah, I see. So the feckless calumny of the left is really the clever disengenuousness of the right? I do wish the Left would make up its mind: first the Right is dumber than a sock full of rocks, next they’re evil geniuses.”
I think we should stick with the sock full of rocks…
You Die hard liberals need to face the fact. This country was not founded to be a socialist country. If that’s what you want move to China!!! Get off your lazy butts, get a job, and go out and get the American dream. Don’t think Obama will hand you the American dream. He is a liar and if you can’t see that I pity you. Besides America was an experiment in personal responsibility and individual freedoms. In this country anyone can achieve, that wants to work for it. I happen to love this country. Anyone can go to college. Fill out the Federal Student Aid forms and go to school if that’s what you seek. If you are too lazy to fill out the forms there is no help for you. Then work like myself and ever other hard working 29 year old and pay back your debt so others can go to school. Don’t expect me to pay for it. I am paying for mine. So go get it and stop spreading stupid lies, about the greatest female politician ever to grace this great country. This is not high school and our future depends on it. There are people dumb enough to believe your uneducated bull, and we would lose the greatest potential leader of this century. If you liked Hillary then you are a fool not to love this bull dog in Palin. Do your research people. If you really followed what was going on in this world you would have know who Palin was two years ago.
Sarah Palin needs to go back to alaska and govern the moose like she really good at that. Do we really want her to be our next President. You know damn well that Mc Cain is to damn old and we will end up with her dumb ass. I just love how she is miss goody two shoes on stage when she is under investigation for using her govern position to have her ex brother in law fired from is job just because he divorced her sister.
When did we win the war in Iraq? My Son is now doing his 5th tour there and he tells me that it is getting worse day by day. We had no Business going there in the first place. According to Mc Cain and President Baby Bullshit Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and that is was a haven for Aqada. Oh I almost forgot to mention that they also said that we won in Afganistan. REALLY then why is the Talliban and Aqada taking foot hold again. The only reason we went to Iraq was to finish what DADDY BULLSHIT did not finish. I don’t know about you but I sure don’t want another 4 years of baby bullshits crap to be continued by step brother bullshit (Mc Cain).
She is not any one I would ever trust I am sick of All the Fucking Republicans who say that we need 4 years of the same. Really, you would only say something like that if you want to see this country in a new great depression. We are in debt 5 Trillion dollars and we are borrowing money from China and Russia. How sad is that. The Damn Iraq’s need to pay their own way. Why should this country pay for the stupidity by blowing everything up, and why should the have a savings account in this country of over 5 billion dollars and collecting interest that we have to pay. Let them kill each other and we can collect the money that they owe us.
The list of books is clearly fictitious as it includes titles first published well after the alleged incident (such as “Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire,” published in 2000).
It seems well documented that she asked about whether books could be banned, so the accusation does not appear to be “calumny” as one poster suggests. But we do not know whether any specific titles were ever mentioned, and it was wildly irresponsible for someone to repost that fictitious list here without doing some fact checking.
Wow! I want some of whatever mix of meth & psychedelics Todd’s on! That’s gotta be some good stuff to make you hallucinate like that! Take it easy, bud, you’re starting to froth a little, there. I’m sorry, anybody dumb enough to advocate banning books, or trying to gloss over the position of a candidate who would be a party to that will get none of my time. It shows such a basic lack of understanding of American rights & freedoms that I wish adults could be sentenced to mandatory civics classes. Her list is a good chunk of my bookshelf. Guess I’m lucky she’s not that well read.
Sorry to say Todd that I think that if you were so hard working for 29 short year that you need to look up the word Depression. Because of the Dam Republicans this country is in debt. I am a harding working 47 year old single mother of four.
Thanks for posting this Jessamyn!
If she tried to censor books, that’s enough reason for anyone who loves the First Amendment to fear her. We don’t need to know which books she wanted to censor. It’s like hearing someone wants to burn babies—you don’t have to ask, “Which ones?”
it is interesting that one is quick to say Ms. Palin censored books when it appears that she inquired if some books could be banned… and then to draw the analogy to burning babies. She is pro life.. the oppositon pro choice.. and when a baby dies from an abortion you don’t have to ask “which ones”
You people aren’t very bright are you? That list of books is a list of books banned over the last 100 years in the USA, NOT any list of books Palin ever wanted banned. If you check this site out: http://www.lib.fit.edu/pubs/librarydisplays/bannedbooks/website.htm …you’ll notice that the list of books banned “at one time or another in the US” is the same list this liar you had on here came up with. Do some research for a change people!
Really the only disturbing thing against her and pretty well unsubstantiated, For the poster about her being a “Plant for Bush” I’m looking for someone to keep oil in my house too. You all drive cars and heat your homes Alaska does hold 20% of our resources. Here’s my argument I had used when Hillary was still running. I for 8 years watched my wife direct a library, heard all the trials and tribulations and goings on, negotiations with fuculty and administration etc. Does watching that qualify me to run a Library? No Unequivocably No. As for Obama what experience does he bring? 100 plus votes of “Present” thats decicive leadership? How about the Millions of dollars lost through his indicted business partner Tony Rezcoe Or How much of his “Spiritual Mentors” sermons does he really believe? 20 years where they cheer to “God Damn America?” Or William Ayers a proud unrepentant domestic terrorist?
By now readers may be wondering who I am.
I’m 42 white, married I have Aids for 24 years I recently battled and won a fight against Hodgkins Lymphoma, I’m a highschool dropout (due to medical reasons) I drive a tow truck for a living I make 14 dollars an hour, my wife has no income, (real estate agent) I’m a home owner in NY State, I pay for my health insurance and as a patient I’m an active, if not voracious consumer of the American health care system. (heres some logic I’m writing this therefore it works!) just like for Ted Kennedy, who also didn’t go abroad for treatment. I am an atheist. I’ve become a conservative. My life runs on oil. It heats my home it warms my bathwater, it runs my company truck, The American System works for me only because I get up everyday and make it work. I took my dropout butt up to the point where I qualify for a job with health insurance, ……
I digress this is about Sarah Palin, I do not agree ever with banning books except possibly putting Portnoy’s Complaint in an Elementary school library(thats simply innappropriate) (iread it in the 3rd grade to the horror of my teachers) I treasure my rare copy of The Anarchist’s Cookbook, I’ve read everything Hunter S. Thopson every published. I am appalled at how close to Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, the American Left operates. This attack on Sarah Palin is a play directly from that demonize the enemy might be totally unsubstantiated but once its out there its no longer the truth to the allegation its the seriousness of the charge. I am at least very impressed that on this blog many people at least question the validity of this allegation. Librarians are smart people, I married one.
OK so she is a woman, big deal! Less not forget her connection to OIL, (which though you wont believe is why we are at WAR! OIL) She is nothing more than a Bush plant, keeping her search for the almighty OIL well but Iraqi OIL not our own. Anyway DRILLING in ANWR will only send our “new” oil to the highest bidder not America. Since most if not all OIL companies are not American companies, BP (British) But just how much MONEY does this middle class family make? Where are the tax statements showing just how much $$$ her family makes from BP?
I think this is what exzactly what this country needs,she is like a breath of fresh air!!!!I think that she proves that women can do both,raise a family and work,not just staying at home watching Jerry Springer and having the goverment take care of you.I think she has a very strong voice and not affraid to speak unlike Obama.Go McCain&Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Something tells me a lot of these posters aren’t the usual librarian blog crowd . . . next week, the Dewey Decimal Scandal!!
Too many liars own computers!
Palin’s inquiry of Wasilla’s town librarian regarding how to go about banning books considered “objectionable” gives us a very revealing and disturbing insight into some of her “not so hidden” agenda. From this alone I would say that McCain has found the perfect running mate to take us back in time, at least to 1984.
Too bad she isn’t trying to shut down silly blogs.
The truth is out there, try finding it before you post.
I found this informative site by way of a Google search for – Palin librarian.
I linked to this page on my latest Journal Entry.
http://new-york-loner.livejournal.com/19137.html
Putting aside the Jerry Springer-like Palin Family Saga, I reject the McCain/Palin ticket because it represents a further slide into theocratic governance.
The “Islamic extremists” often accuse the US and Israel of being “Zionist-Crusaders”. They may be right.
Sadly, both major US political parties are pandering to the faith-based voter.
Sarah Palin is an unabashed Judeo-Christian theocrat. Do we dare slip deeper into creeping theocracy?
Will Sarah Palin play a Pentecostal variation on the Joan of Arc role?
Holy Wars Suck.
The Harry Potter books were published in 1998 in the United States, that’s 2 years after Palin became Mayor of Wasilla, so the argument that the list is incorrect because of the HP books is not valid. However, I would like to see some cited sources. I do not believe that spreading lies about either candidate is a way to influence voters.